PhD Discussion Forum

So I've received contradictory advice about whether it is OK to apply for the same PhD with two different London DTPs. The actual colleges are useless at giving info and the system is entirely lacking in transparency. I'm not even sure what my chances are, having been invited to make full scholarship applications after the preliminary applications. Does anyone understand this system?

If you have been 'invited' to apply, surely whoever invited you would know? I am presently going through the process, and find it quite straight forward. The DTP you are applying to would have a list of rules. Go read them.

I am not sure what universe you are in, but my experience with applying for an ESRC DTP studentship is that it couldn't be more straight-forward ( I am currently going through the process, and is waiting for a decision, due in Mid-March).

Once I had identified a suitable supervisor, I made contact, had an informal meeting which included discussion about funding once he agreed to supervisor my project. Was told to have all the documents ready by a certain date, which was forwarded to the institution's liaison for the DTP. Got reminder emails in November and December about the deadlines, relevant dates (internal review, Pathway review and then the final studentship committee decision) together with the application guidelines. It is ultra competitive from what they say, so the wait is most certainly stressful, but the application itself was very straight-forward. Transcripts, degree certificates, academic CV, references, proposal and completing a nomination form with the help of the supervisors. I'd say that it can't really be much simpler, especially when you consider that the funding amounts to over 70K over 3.5 years ( I am applying for a 3.5 studentship with 6 months of research methods).

I still don't know what you mean by being 'invited' to make an application. Being 'invited' implies that you only have to apply to get the funding. That being the case, I really don't see where you might have a problem. If 'invited' means that someone (your supervisor/ DTP/ESRC) told you that you can apply for studentships via the DTP, then 'invited' is probably not a good term.

As for the chance of success, it depends on which DTP you are applying to, the number and strength of this year's applicants, your field and of course, the strength of your application, of which your academic records (plus references) account for only about 33% of the marking criteria.

Just to add to the above, more than one academic at my MA uni when I went to them for advice about doing a PhD, said that your potential supervisors EXPECT that you will be also applying to other institutions for better chances of success, as the funding process is so competitive. You just need to be diplomatic about it, and best not to mention anything unless specifically asked.

Also, you cannot make two applications to the different institutions with the same DTP consortium. For example, if you are applying to NINE DTP (Durham, Newcastle, Queen's Belfast, Ulster, Sunderland, Teeside and Northumbria), you can only apply through one of the institutions. You can, however, apply both to Newcastle (or Durham etc) and York, as York is from a different consortium (White Rose DTP).

I don't believe the OP was asking for these sort of information though. In fact, I really haven't a clue what he wants to know about the process. It seems to me that the OP's post is more a whine than soliciting information.

I am being as polite as I can to someone inhabiting an alternative universe, but all water under the bridge.

This may be different for individual DTPs, but in my case, all applications for studentships must be via individual institutions, and cannot be made directly to the DTP. I asked my supervisor about my chances, he said it was decent, and then we applied. I said 'we', because the application depends on the support of the supervisor/s, who have to fill in part of the nomination form about their expertise in the topic, and the fit of the supervisory/research environment in relation to the topic.

The main process is as follows (which you seem to know already, but here goes):

1/ Your department does the initial screening of your studentship application, and if they think it has a reasonable chance of success, they put it to the next stage. You must either have an offer of a PhD place from an institution, or proof that you have applied for a place to get to this stage. It would be tempted to think the the two (funding and place) are linked, but I have been told that the offer of a place is independent of any funding applications.

2/ Pathway review: Made up of all the different institutes, and rejects applications that they think may be too weak to be funded. The rest are then submitted to the DTP studentship committee for consideration.

3/ DTP studentship committee: The body that grants the studentships. Usually made of academics from the different institutes, and a number of external academics.

The marking criteria for ranking the applications are clearly listed on the relevant DTP website (or at least, it was in the case of the DTP that I'd applied to). Whilst I can sympathise with the lack of control in the marking process and the wait is very stressful, I fail to see how the system lacks transparency or is hard to understand.

Hope this helps, and good luck with your application/s, I am keeping my fingers crossed for mine.

Seems to be quite informative to me, except for the exact marking criteria, it does list all the important things.

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