Don't miss our weekly PhD newsletter | Sign up now Don't miss our weekly PhD newsletter | Sign up now

PhD Discussion Forum

The following thread is brought to you by our sister Web site PostgraduateForum.com. If you wish to reply or post your own thread, you will be redirected to this site.

This Category:   PostgraduateForum.com > PhD Advice / Support


Message

data - plural or singular?


User: barnaby - 20 March 2009 12:25

okay, bad title. I'm well aware which it is, I'm just asking what you use. I taught academic English to international students for years before starting this phd, and 'the data show' and 'the data are' have always sounded wrong to me, no matter how many times I read it. Now I have to actually use it, it sounds even stranger. I'm a linguist, so I'm happy with the process of language change and the reasons behind it, I'm just interested what people tend to use. Hey, let's have a poll!

User: timefortea - 20 March 2009 12:37

I agree with these guys:
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutgrammar/data

I think it has become acceptable to use it as an uncountable noun.

User: Sim - 20 March 2009 15:23

Datum = singlular Data = plural no?

User: rubyw - 20 March 2009 16:09

I evaded the issue by being told to replace the word 'data' in my thesis with 'source material' or 'sources', which apparently sound more art history.

User: missspacey - 20 March 2009 16:38

I would use 'data' for singular or plural. 'Datum' sounds outdated to me. As it's a grey area, follow the practice of your discipline.

Strangely, if you pronounce 'data' as the Americans do (DA-TA), it doesn't sound so wrong.

When I'm undecided about word usage, I Google the two phrases and I use the one with the most hits....crude but often effective.

User: Ju-ju - 20 March 2009 20:41

I cannot believe this is a post. Data are plural - no brainer.

User: barnaby - 21 March 2009 08:10

Quote From Ju-ju:

I cannot believe this is a post. Data are plural - no brainer.[/quote]

It's not a no-brainer at all. It's in a process of change, in the same way as many words before it (especially latin).

[quote]When I'm undecided about word usage, I Google the two phrases and I use the one with the most hits....crude but often effective.
Same here. It's a good way of checking. Thing is, then I get sidetracked...

User: PhDing_Engineer - 22 March 2009 23:51

It's neither.

It's a mass noun.

User: phdbug - 23 March 2009 07:59

Hi, I would say that 'data' is now what is called a "collective noun" in English. Note for instance, the use of the word HAIR. When we say she has red hair, indeed yes, we know that she does not have a single strand of hair, but we are referring to the millions of hairs, but we do use the singular "FORM" to express the conceptual category of PLURALITY, and accordingly the verb it takes is also for the singular form.

So, going by that logic, DATA as a word is perhaps now in the collective, the form is plural (as opposed to datum), the usage in conceptual terms can be singular or plural (does it even matter?) and the sentence treats it as singular.


So, the "data is complex" should suffice... :-)

User: hazyjane - 23 March 2009 10:52

I would use data as a plural in academia and as anything you fancy in the real world!